In Defense of Bettakultcha and Killing Amy

Last night I attended Bettakultcha event, hosted at the Leeds Student Union.  It was a fantastic night and as far as I could see from where I was sitting, went pretty smoothly.  Then, once home, I made the potential mistake of opening up Tweekdeck to the #bettakultcha hashtag.  There I discovered, a perhaps dying horse, that I shall give one last flogging to.

Between presentations last night, a short film was shown.  At least, it was attempted to be shown, since about half way through it finally gave up due to technical difficulties.  As far as I could see at the time, there was nothing in the film that was outrageous or beyond mildly controversial.

It turns out however, that there was a rather large altercation between a member of the audience and the producer of the film.  There was also a fair amount of overspill on twitter — mostly divided between people who thought that the film was sexist and disagreed with its showing, and those who didn’t think it was sexist and were therefore okay with it.  Usually, there would also be people who thought it was sexist, but were okay with that, but Bettakultcha is a fairly progressive crowd.  In order words, nobody was arguing in favour of misogyny, just the interpretation of this particular film.

For anyone who hasn’t read Exploring Leeds’ version of events, that’s probably the most level-headed place to start.

Now here’s my problem: I have spoken out against sexism, I despise misogynists and I am all for fairer positioning of women in the media, but no matter how I look at it, I simplycannot interpret the short film we saw last night as sexist* .  It’s not that I know it’s sexist and think it’s okay, I just don’t think it is.  I know I’m repeating myself there, but it’s important.

* Since writing this initially, having spoken to people on the other side of the disagreement and actually becoming friends with some of them, I do now understand and appreciate their point of view.  I still don’t entirely agree, but I can see where they’re coming from.

The film in question, Killing Amy, is presented in the format of a Bettakultcha presentation, where the killer gives a sideshow talk on his motivations and methodology for the murder.  The film includes a very brief section of fairly sexual imagery – slightly risqué, but certainly not what I’d call “hardcore porn”.  I’m not sure whether it was this alone which provoked the film to be branded as sexist, or this in the context of the rest of the film, but the buzzwords flying around twitter seemed to be “sexist snuff porn”.

I agree with ExploringLeeds that perhaps a short warning before the film would have been pertinent.  I also agree that the reaction in terms of heckling was absolutely the wrong response.  We all see things we don’t particularly like on a daily basis, but if the movement for equality wants to be taken seriously then we need to do things in a professional manner.  A quiet word with the organisers would have been far more suitable.

What I don’t agree with is that the film needed any apologies.  I’m not going to talk about whether the film was great or poor, vanilla or controversial, but I don’t think it was misogynistic.  I’ve heard a lot of words thrown around on Twitter, but very few solid arguments as to why the film should be considered sexist.  Well, here’s a few reasons why it shouldn’t:

  • The message was in-character. Even if the protagonist of the film was sexist, that doesn’t mean the film itself is.  In turn, that character was portrayed as a bad guy, so the film didn’t endorse his views or actions.
  • The film was realistic.  Most murders of this type are men who kill women.  That’s a fact that doesn’t change whether we like it or not.  I’m not saying we should revel in that fact, but statistically speaking, male-on-female violence is more prevelent.
  • We only saw the first few minutes of the film.  Combine this oversight with the first point and apply it elsewhere?  Suddenly American History X is a film about how awesome it is to be a neo-nazi murderer.  I’m not personally prepared to judge the film on what we saw.
  • Just because the “porn” scene (that I’m not sure I’d call porn) included a woman doesn’t make it sexist.
  • Just because it contained “porn” doesn’t make it sexist.  Porn isn’t inherently sexist.  Sure, most mainstream porn is geared towards men, but you can’t retrospectively apply that as an attribute of the medium — that’s a non sequitur.
  • I’d hardly call it “porn” anyway.  What was shown in that film was certainly no more explicit than many mainstream films.  When you consider that Antichrist, Seven Songs, Baise Moi and Cannibal Holocaust have all been shown in regular cinemas, it makes this film look pretty damn tame.  That said, I don’t think the sexualisation of women in Hollywood films is okay — but we do have to judge things relative to the zeitgeist.
  • It’s certainly not “snuff” – I mean, for a start, there wasn’t any violence whatsoever in what we saw.

If anyone can enlighten me on exactly how the film was sexist, go for it, but even as someone who is vehemently feminist, I can’t find any aspect of it that is sexist.  I also have to ask — and I know this is an argument usually used by sexists themselves, but I feel in this case it is fair to ask: would this argument have even come up if the male and female roles in the film were reversed?

*prepares for incoming flame wall*

Edit: There was a continuing debate (which ended amiably) on @claireOT’s blog.

  • Chris

    I completely agree. u00a0Adhering to a stereotype doesn’t make something sexist – otherwise I could be up in arms about the fact the murderer was a man (“omg, are you saying all men are murderers!!!!!!11″).nnIt’s also worth noting that it seems unclear exactly what the sexist part was – was is the silhouette of the nude girl in the background (you can see more by opening a Sun newspaper to page 3), the fact the “male” killer was planning murdering a “female” (you can hear more by turning on the news) or is it, as I suspect, just the fact someone calling themselves a feminist saw a boob and decided she wanted to have a moan about it?nnPerhaps I’m being a little judgemental with that last comment, but I think her point was lost by the fact she was smiling as she chased the presenter out of the room, then came back to have a good laugh about it with her mates. u00a0That’s not someone offended – that’s simply the actions of someone being a prick for the sake of being a prick.nnAnd for fuck sakes, it was allowed by the organisers – surely having a work with them would have been more appropriate?nnEither way, if they don’t it then fuck ‘em – don’t come next time. u00a0I find it offensive that I was made to stand for 3 hours while some overly sensitive prick wasted a seat I could have had.

  • Henry Tickner

    I think the point is that no woman could reasonably be expected to see this as neutral material for a meta critique of Bk presentations, or whatever it was. And an emotional response was quite valid.

  • Laura Naycher

    Dan, try reading through your arguments, substituting “racist” for “sexist”, “black” for “woman”, etc.nOr imagine you are say a black guy having a night out, somewhere you thought was friendly and cool – then suddenly find yourself confronted with film of a klan lynching/murder being shown as “entertainment”, and people telling you it’s okay because after all most lynchings are by white men against black men, and anyway it’s not as gory as it could be, there are worse images out there… would that feel ok? or wouldn’t it make you less comfortable about being there?

  • http://twitter.com/simon_atherley Simon Atherley

    I agree with the thrust of the article. nnHowever, one point I would make – perhaps there might be anconcern that the actress depicted was in any way being exploited? @chance4321nmentioned she was a professional actress working in the dutch sex industry u2013nthat was my understanding at least.nnMaybe she could come and speak at #bettakultcha?nnI think it would be veryu00a0interestingu00a0to getu00a0heru00a0viewsnon her role in the film, about the film itself, why she agreed to do it, onnporn, how comfortable she is with her work, and whether or not she feels hernwork demeans other women (and foru00a0thatu00a0matter men) , or indeed if hernwork is actually empowering for women (and foru00a0thatu00a0matter men)?nnI have my own views on this, but Iu2019d like to hear what shenhas to say…nnOverall, I think it was the dark nature andntheu00a0implicationsu00a0that have caused most of the outrage, not the filmnor its actual content.u00a0That is my view. A simple warning ahead of the filmnmight have been appropriate, but it should have been shown. nnIf for no other reason than the level of debate that hasnensued!

  • http://www.danladds.com Dan Ladds

    Firstly, you’re implying that the murder in Killing Amy was motivated by sexual discrimination as a lynching is motivated by racial hatred.u00a0 The protagonist in Killing Amy actually says, “No, this isn’t sexual”.u00a0 Is it sexist just because the person killed happened to be a woman?u00a0 At no point did the character say anything misogynistic.nnSecondly, there *are* films that involve black people being lynched by the Klan.u00a0 They’re not considered racist, because it’s showing how the Klan is racist, it’s not saying “this is okay”, just as Killing Amy isn’t saying that murdering women is “okay”.u00a0 There’s a difference between the opinion and actions of a character and the message of the film.u00a0 We can’t even comment on the message of the film as a whole anyway, since we only saw half.nnIf I was a black guy watching a film that portrayed events related to the KKK, then yes, I would expect it to realistically show lynchings against black men by while men.u00a0 Anything else would just be factually incorrect. It’s not discrimination to portray reality as best you can.nnNow I’m not saying that we should all get cheap thrills from watching lynchings or watching men kill women (or even women kill men), but within the context of a film which has a message beyond “Hey let’s look at some cool killing”… nnWould you have considered it sexist against men if it had involved a woman killing a man?u00a0 How about a woman killing a woman?u00a0 I’m still trying to work out which bit actually makes it “sexist” – how about a man killing a man? Or would that have been sexist though virtue or an all male cast?u00a0 nnHow could the film maker have made it “not sexist”?nnSorry, but if this film is guilty of sexism then so is every crime drama ever produced.

  • http://twitter.com/LarnerC Larner Caleb

    This is disgusting. How do you guys get away with this kind of thing in the UK? It’s ‘defence’ not ‘defense’.

  • http://www.danladds.com Dan Ladds

    hah – too much time spent talking to Americans? :P

  • Chris

    LauraAlthough I understand your point, your analogy is wrong. u00a0Lynching are symbolic of hatred of an entire race and so yes, a film about lynching would be unbelievably inappropriate – especially without any pre-warning.nBut this isn’t about race – you literally just made that up to reinforce your point. What if I wasn to ask you to substitute “sexist” with “cuddly” and “woman” with “bunnyn rabbit”? u00a0Doesn’t seem so bad now does it? u00a0This isn’t a debate about nrace. u00a0It shouldn’t even be an argument about sexism.nMurder is not specific to any sex/race/religion/etc and is (in most cases) a unique scenario relating to an individual. I can understand that there could be people in the audience that may well have family/friends that were murdered, and of course that may distress them. u00a0But in context, it’s not a million miles away from me claiming you should never mention cancer in public because I lost my granddad to it and it offends me. Or never mentioning a car accident because a school friend of mine was involved in a crash and died.People have the right to be offended, and I completely agree that a bit of fore-warning would have been a good idea. u00a0But if people are offended by a silhouette of a boob, or if they’re offended by the concept of a man talking about killing a woman, then they’re living in a bubble. I’m exposed to more than that every time I turn on the news or open a Sun newspaper.(Disclaimer – I don’t buy the Sun!)

  • http://mazzz-in-leeds.com Mazzz In Leeds

    Well said Dan, and Chris in the comment.nnI’m a woman, and I am actually quite bemused how anyone, in this day and age, could even get upset about such frankly tame imagery. Okay, perhaps the Bettakultcha guys should have warned the uber-sensitive, but I would like to point out that the heckler was not offended enough to stop herself from staying to heckle the presentation. nnThe Bettakultcha folk will no doubt blog and apologise about their missight – will that woman blog/tweet to apologise for her rudeness and abusiveness? Yes, abusiveness. I bet she claims to be anti-abuse, too.nnIf this episode has taught me one thing, it is that modern day feminism is making the original feminism turn in its grave. I renounce it and embrace equalism and rational thought instead.

  • http://mazzz-in-leeds.com Mazzz In Leeds

    I think you said it yourself – she’s a professional. She’s an adult, and she’s made choices in her life like everyone else. The questions you want to ask her you could ask of any woman working in that industry – why is this particular actress of such concern?nAnd it is worth reminding people that the porn film industry is the only one where the women get paid more than the men ;-)

  • Erin

    Chris – have you for even a moment stopped to consider why some people were genuinely upset by the film last night? To some people, not just women, such things are very similar to real events, so in calling these people “overly sensitive prick(s)” you aren’t doing anyone any favours.

  • Erin

    Some people have been through the sorts of experiences were watching something isn’t entertainment but can cause flashbacks. Don’t just dismiss everyone who was upset as being in the same boat as one person who acted in an immature manner.

  • http://mazzz-in-leeds.com Mazzz In Leeds

    Where did I dismiss them? I said I was bemused. There are PG trailers for horror films in non-horror film screenings (just one example), I wonder what reactions to those would be?

  • Chris

    I understand there was some confusion, so I’ve cleared it up with those involved – the comments were aimed at the girl who chased the presenter out of the hall shouting at him. u00a0I should have chose my words better, I admit, but the fact remains – he had permission to give his presentation, and to throw abuse at someone for that is not the way to deal with it.nnWith regards to your comment, I openly agree that there should have been some warning about the content, and I accept that some people are liable to be upset/offended – there’s nothing wrong with that, everyone’s different. u00a0My gripe was with the reaction of one particular idiot and the fact that she was so offended, she was able to share a laugh with her mates about how she chased him out of the hall.nnBut considering the subject of “offence”, I have friends who have died of cancer and friends who have died in car crashes (for example), but I wouldn’t for a second suggest that those 2 things should never be mentioned again because it’s “very similar to real events”. u00a0Should Titanic never have been made in case it offends relatives of those who died? u00a0Should the news be cancelled so that no-one is offended by the content? u00a0Again, warning would have been good – but that shouldn’t stop the film being shown regardless of who it offends.nnI firmly believe that this film did an excellent job of showing just how dangerous it can be to have personally identifiable information about yourself publicly available online. u00a0It’s probably something that should be shown to more people to highlight the point. u00a0The truth can hurt, but without it we’ll never learn anything.

  • Erin

    So you don’t consider tweeting “if some people are too reactive to stop and think about it that’s their problem” is dismissive?

  • http://mazzz-in-leeds.com Mazzz In Leeds

    Eh? I didn’t tweet that, you’re confusing me with someone else.

  • http://twitter.com/simon_atherley Simon Atherley

    I already have asked these questions. And the answers were very surprising – to me at least.nnWhy is she of concern? Manyu00a0peopleu00a0say people working in the sex trade are being exploited – even actresses – and I do believeu00a0that in some cases thisu00a0is true. For example some are supporting drug habits, some are supporting families who don’t care how they get the money,u00a0some are trafficked,u00a0some have no choice and no freedom about their work or who they provide their service to oru00a0performanceu00a0for.u00a0I also don’t think it is true that women always get paid more than men.u00a0And what exactly does it mean when you say you are a “professional” in the sex industry – is there a qualification?u00a0nnBut as I say, think it would be veryu00a0interestingu00a0to hear what she has to say, rather than have you or Iu00a0speaku00a0for her. ;-)

  • http://mazzz-in-leeds.com Mazzz In Leeds

    Re: pay, I meant films – porn actresses get paid more than the male actors (with the exception maybe of the Ron Jeremys of this day and age, whoever they are – I find post-80s porn too devoid of any entertainment value to be interested in it)nnI’m not saying there isn’t exploitation, of course there is, and there’s even plenty in this country. That said I would imagine the Dutch protect their sex industry workers better than most!nnAnd a professional is exactly that – someone who provides a service and gets paid for it. (I guess the Paris Hiltons of this world do it for the love…)

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